Posts Tagged ‘pvp’

Most people have heard the expression “that stinks out loud”.  If you haven’t, now you have – my mother and grandmother used to use it all the time. It’s what I call a “grandma-ism.”   Forewarned is forearmed so the old adage goes. So  here is the warning. If you are a big fan of Star Trek Online (STO) and don’t want to read anything bad about the game read no further.

You have been warned

Now I will continue for those of you who aren’t on the floor.

Say what?

What I mean is this is the point at which most of the forum trolls extol the virtues of “fine whine” (and I don’t mean daddy I want to go to Disney Land).  Ask the typical person who plays on the Klingon side (think horde for all you World of Warcraft players out there) about Federation players who pvp and you will begin to hear how we are all stupid, foolish, unexperienced, and every other denigrating adjective in the book.  The fact of the matter is that I have two graduate degrees and a 126 IQ and I am far from being stupid.  I am also not inexperienced at pvp, having been engaging in pvp in mmos since there were mmos in which to participate in pvp (some time I will tell you of the player who killed me in pvp and upon finding out I was a nun yelled “oh no I killed a nun I’m going to hell”)

At this point I should clarify for those who might not be regular listeners of the No Prisoners No Mercy show that everyone on staff here are fans of Star Trek, Star Trek Online, and Cryptic Studios. We also like the game…alot. In fact I purchased a lifetime subscription and still don’t consider it a waste of money.   In fact because  I care about STO and Cryptic Studios is why I point this all out….

When it comes to “in space” pvp Cryptic Studios not only dropped the ball, it went down into the gutter and dropped into the sewer.

Lets start by taking a look at a typical score for the evening. Note this is Tier 3.  First you will see all the damage done for the blue team on the left.  While the zeros in this case are, no doubt, from players who check “hide” when their turn comes up, this is usually not the only case. There are many times when you will see two or three players doing damage and zeros by the rest of the names.  This is the result of players who have come to embody the famous words “abandon all  hope ye who enter.”  They know, as do most of those interested in pvp on the Federation side, that pvp is no longer a place you go to enjoy yourself.  It is a place where you go for fast leveling and fast medals to get the best gear for your ship.  True there are a few valiant souls who are still stupid enough to put up a fight (my character is one of those with actual damage).

But why the utter hopelessness you might ask yourself?

Lets look at the ebra…I mean epeen…I mean damage chart again.  How nice for us, by the way, that Cryptic has furnished those interested in PvP with the bane of our existence – the damage meter.  Look at the damage done by those still trying on the Federation side (on the left). Now compare that to the damage being done on the Klingon side on the right.  A rough comparison of the ability of Klingons to do enough damage to get through Federation shields would be like someone cutting through a paper bag with a flame thrower.

Even those on the Federation side who care about pvp and care deeply have begun to give up any hope that this aspect of the game will be balanced any time sooner then the turn of the next century.  The executive producer, Craig Zinkievich, told us all he wanted pvp in Star Trek Online to be about tactics and not about a dog fight. 

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but since everyone probably knows it anyway, the fight in pvp (at least in space) in Star Trek Online is, for the most part, already decided before the game has begun. But there is another factor at work there other than merely bad pvp for the Federation side – after all, on the Federation side we still have the pve, and belive me, the pve in Star Trek Online is nothing short of Fantastic.

I pity the Klingons

Even though the Klingons can grind my Federation character in to the dirt I pity them.  Why? Because pvp is all they have. Oh sure, you can go out to the “Kahless Expanse” and complete the one pve quest (one, count it, one).  If the pvp in Star Trek Online remains as unbalanced as it is, the Klingon side, and pvp can easily become deserted.   Don’t think so? Ask anyone who has ever played in the PvP arenas in Everquest 2.  Sure they were a novelty at first.  Now the pvp arena’s in EQ2 are completely deserted.

In short, as it sits right now, pvp in space in Star Trek Online is worthless.

And more is the pity is that this is where one of the Strengths of the game should have been. The saddest cut of all, is that it doesn’t need to be this way.  The game mechanics are all there for this to be some of the best space combat pvp on the internet. Eve Online? Yes, I still subscribe. Yes I have done pvp in Eve Online. But just like a frequent guest and I discussed off microphone, when it comes to one on one pvp in Eve Online the outcome  is already decided before the first shot is fired, and as Mr. Zinkievich pointed out, no one wants to lose their ship after taking 80 hours to earn it.

Mind you we aren’t naive enough to say something stupid like “Gee the game needed more work before it was published.”   First, that is asking Cryptic to repeat the most expensive month of development to begin with.  That, and more than likely that request would have gone over with their publisher, Atari, as well as a request, “Pardon me Mr. Publisher? Would you mind if I shoved a porcupine up your ass? I can only hope that there will be time to fix pvp before it becomes a ghost town. Think that can’t happen? Ask Mythic.

See you online,

Julie Whitefeather

There is nothing like a little good pvp – and ganking is nothing like good pvp.

That said, for those uninitiated among our readers out there (read those who are new to mmo gaming) Player versus player (pvp) is a far cry from a process called “ganking” (a term which I can only assume owes its etymology to the words “gang” and “killing” ) This, Sean Cooper over at mmorpg.com would have you believe is different than “griefing” (The article can be found here):

“The difference between ganking and griefing is subtle enough that most players have difficulty separating the two…” – Sean Cooper

Actually, I think a sentence from an earlier paragraph in the same article is an indicator the author of the article might be the one who has a hard time telling the difference, “When you’re bored at max level, sometimes it’s funny to see how persistent the lowbie will be to see if he’ll keep trying to quest here before you get bored and take off.”  And that, my friends, is the perfect introduction to another term of which we are all aware…

Power Trip

Yes it is that time of year again. No, not a particular time of year when some nebulous person’s thoughts “turn to fancy” (whatever that means in the first place). It is that time in the life cycle of any pvp orientated mmo when players thoughts turn to the virtual battlefields in which they will soon participate (at level 25 in Aion Online). But it is not the eternal war of words between the gankers/griefers and those who enjoy pvp that we will join here. No, rather it is game balance.

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